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DIMITRI WEBER
Founder, Goldfield & Banks · Belgian · based in Australia Goldfield & Banks ์ฐฝ๋ฆฝ์ž · ๋ฒจ๊ธฐ์— ์ถœ์‹  · ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ๊ฑฐ์ฃผ
Host: Emma · The Perfume Room (Episode 172) ํ˜ธ์ŠคํŠธ: ์— ๋งˆ · The Perfume Room (์—ํ”ผ์†Œ๋“œ 172)
Type์œ ํ˜•Founder Conversation์ฐฝ๋ฆฝ์ž ๋Œ€๋‹ด
Era์‹œ๊ธฐ2025
Origin์ถœ์‹ Belgium · based in Australia๋ฒจ๊ธฐ์— · ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ๊ฑฐ์ฃผ
Housesํ•˜์šฐ์ŠคGoldfield & Banks · YSL (formerly) · BPI / Shiseido (formerly) · Cartier (formerly)
Themesํ…Œ๋งˆAustralian native botanicals · Santalum spicatum · Finger lime · Buddhawood · Country-as-perfumery · Open briefs / younger perfumers · Elixir as pure essence, not flankerํ˜ธ์ฃผ ํ† ์ฐฉ ์‹๋ฌผ · Santalum spicatum · Finger lime · Buddhawood · ๊ตญ๊ฐ€-๊ทธ-์ž์ฒด๋กœ์„œ์˜ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ · ์˜คํ”ˆ ๋ธŒ๋ฆฌํ”„ / ์ Š์€ ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ · ํ”Œ๋žญ์ปค๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ ‘์ˆœ์ˆ˜ ๋ณธ์งˆ’๋กœ์„œ์˜ ์—˜๋ฆญ์‹œ๋ฅด
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Dimitri Weber
Subject์ฃผ์ œDimitri WeberDimitri Weber
Founded์„ค๋ฆฝGoldfield & Banks (2014)Goldfield & Banks (2014๋…„)
Born์ถœ์ƒBelgium, early 1970s · based in Australia since c.2014๋ฒจ๊ธฐ์—, 1970๋…„๋Œ€ ์ดˆ · 2014๋…„๊ฒฝ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ๊ฑฐ์ฃผ
Prior roles์ด์ „ ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅYSL (7 yrs) · BPI / Shiseido (12 yrs, Issey Miyake / Jean Paul Gaultier / Narciso Rodriguez) · Cartier press · own consulting agencyYSL (7๋…„) · BPI / Shiseido (12๋…„, Issey Miyake / Jean Paul Gaultier / Narciso Rodriguez) · Cartier PR · ์ž์ฒด ์ปจ์„คํŒ… ์—์ด์ „์‹œ
Perfumers worked withํ˜‘์—… ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌFrançois Merleau-Baudoin · Hamid Merati-Kashani (Firmenich) · Olivier Cresp (Firmenich) · Olivier Kress (Firmenich) · Emily Bouge (Robertet)François Merleau-Baudoin · Hamid Merati-Kashani (Firmenich) · Olivier Cresp (Firmenich) · Olivier Kress (Firmenich) · Emily Bouge (Robertet)

Dimitri Weber is the founder of Goldfield & Banks, the first luxury fragrance house dedicated to Australian native botanicals. Born in the early 1970s in Belgium, he spent his career in French perfumery — seven years at Yves Saint Laurent (retail, education, PR), then twelve years at Beauté Prestige International, the Shiseido subsidiary that held licences for Issey Miyake and Jean Paul Gaultier and launched Narciso Rodriguez. He ran his own marketing and fragrance-consulting agency before Cartier sent him to Australia for a press conference in the mid-2010s. He met his partner on the trip, moved to Australia, and discovered the country's native botanicals — Western Australian sandalwood (Santalum spicatum), Tasmanian boronia, finger lime, Buddhawood — were almost entirely absent from the global perfume map. Goldfield & Banks is named for Joseph Banks, the 18th-century botanist who travelled with Captain Cook and brought back Australian plant species to Europe. The house is now eleven years old and is widely credited with putting Australia on the global perfume map.

Dimitri Weber๋Š” ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ํ† ์ฐฉ ์‹๋ฌผ(native botanicals)์„ ์ค‘์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ํ•œ ์ตœ์ดˆ์˜ ๋Ÿญ์…”๋ฆฌ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ํ•˜์šฐ์Šค Goldfield & Banks์˜ ์ฐฝ๋ฆฝ์ž์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 1970๋…„๋Œ€ ์ดˆ ๋ฒจ๊ธฐ์—์—์„œ ํƒœ์–ด๋‚ฌ๊ณ , ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์˜ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์„ ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ์‚ฐ์—…์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — Yves Saint Laurent์—์„œ 7๋…„(๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ, ์—๋“€์ผ€์ด์…˜, PR), ์ด์–ด Shiseido ์‚ฐํ•˜์ด์ž Issey Miyake ๋ฐ Jean Paul Gaultier์˜ ๋ผ์ด์„ ์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ณด์œ ํ•˜๊ณ  Narciso Rodriguez๋ฅผ ์ถœ์‹œํ•œ Beauté Prestige International์—์„œ 12๋…„์„ ์ผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 2010๋…„๋Œ€ ์ค‘๋ฐ˜ Cartier๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์˜ ๊ธฐ์žํšŒ๊ฒฌ์— ํŒŒ๊ฒฌํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „๊นŒ์ง€, ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ… ๋ฐ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ์ปจ์„คํŒ… ์—์ด์ „์‹œ๋ฅผ ์šด์˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ด ์ถœ์žฅ์—์„œ ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ๊ณ , ํ˜ธ์ฃผ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•˜์—ฌ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ํ† ์ฐฉ ์‹๋ฌผ — ์„œํ˜ธ์ฃผ์˜ ์ƒŒ๋‹ฌ์šฐ๋“œ(Santalum spicatum), ํƒœ์ฆˆ๋ฉ”์ด๋‹ˆ์•„์˜ Boronia, finger lime, Buddhawood — ๊ฐ€ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ์ง€๋„์—์„œ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋ถ€์žฌ(ไธๅœจ)ํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Goldfield & Banks๋ผ๋Š” ์ด๋ฆ„์€ 18์„ธ๊ธฐ ์‹๋ฌผํ•™์ž Joseph Banks — Cook ์„ ์žฅ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ•ญํ•ดํ•˜๋ฉฐ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ์‹๋ฌผ ์ข…์„ ์œ ๋Ÿฝ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜จ ์ธ๋ฌผ — ์—์„œ ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ํ•˜์šฐ์Šค๋Š” ์ด์ œ 11๋…„์ฐจ์ด๋ฉฐ, ํ˜ธ์ฃผ๋ฅผ ๊ธ€๋กœ๋ฒŒ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ์ง€๋„์— ์˜ฌ๋ฆฐ ์ฃผ์—ญ์œผ๋กœ ๋„๋ฆฌ ์ธ์ •๋ฐ›๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

Summary & Key Takeaways์š”์•ฝ ๋ฐ ์ฃผ์š” ์‹œ์‚ฌ์ 

Dimitri Weber — founder of Goldfield & Banks, the first luxury fragrance house dedicated to Australian native botanicals — sits with Emma of The Perfume Room for an unhurried walk through three lineages: his French perfume-industry training (YSL, BPI, Cartier), his accidental Australian residency that began with a Cartier press trip and ended with him meeting his partner and never leaving, and the eleven-year project of building a luxury perfume house from a country with no perfume history but extraordinary raw materials. He talks through the specific botanicals that pulled him in (finger lime, Western Australian sandalwood, Tasmanian Boronia, Buddhawood), the way he selects perfumers across multiple oil houses (Firmenich, Givaudan, Takasago, Robertet) according to their different strengths, and the creative argument behind Silky Woods Elixir — what an ‘elixir’ means when it's not just a marketing flanker.

Dimitri Weber — ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ํ† ์ฐฉ ์‹๋ฌผ์„ ์ค‘์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ํ•œ ์ตœ์ดˆ์˜ ๋Ÿญ์…”๋ฆฌ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ํ•˜์šฐ์Šค Goldfield & Banks์˜ ์ฐฝ๋ฆฝ์ž — ๊ฐ€ The Perfume Room์˜ Emma์™€ ๋งˆ์ฃผ ์•‰์•„, ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“  ์„ธ ๊ฐˆ๋ž˜์˜ ๊ณ„๋ณด๋ฅผ ์ฐจ๋ถ„ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ’€์–ด ๋†“๋Š”๋‹ค — ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ์‚ฐ์—…์—์„œ์˜ ํ›ˆ๋ จ(YSL, BPI, Cartier), Cartier์˜ PR ์ถœ์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘๋˜์–ด ํŒŒํŠธ๋„ˆ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚˜๋ฉด์„œ ๋๋‚˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ์ •์ฐฉ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์˜ ์—ญ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์—†์ง€๋งŒ ๋น„๋ฒ”ํ•œ ์›๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ํ•œ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ๋Ÿญ์…”๋ฆฌ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ํ•˜์šฐ์Šค๋ฅผ 11๋…„์— ๊ฑธ์ณ ๊ตฌ์ถ•ํ•ด ์˜จ ์ž‘์—…. ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ๋Œ์–ด๋‹น๊ธด ๊ตฌ์ฒด์  ์‹๋ฌผ๋“ค (finger lime, ์„œํ˜ธ์ฃผ ์ƒŒ๋‹ฌ์šฐ๋“œ, ํƒœ์ฆˆ๋ฉ”์ด๋‹ˆ์•„ Boronia, Buddhawood), ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ์˜ค์ผ ํ•˜์šฐ์Šค(Firmenich, Givaudan, Takasago, Robertet)์˜ ์„œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฐ•์ ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  Silky Woods Elixir์˜ ์ฐฝ์ž‘ ๋…ผ๋ฆฌ — ‘์—˜๋ฆญ์‹œ๋ฅด’๊ฐ€ ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ… ํ”Œ๋žญ์ปค๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ์˜๋ฏธํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ — ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•œ๋‹ค.

  • Australia's perfume profile is earthy, woody, aromatic — not floral (“we have amazing flowers, they don't smell”). This is the country-as-style observation that Goldfield & Banks built itself on.
  • Most of the world's sandalwood in modern perfumes (including Mysore replacement) comes from Western Australia. The first major fragrance to openly use Australian Santalum spicatum was Opium in 1974.
  • Weber selects perfume houses by their genre strength: Firmenich for woods (Hamid Merati-Kashani, Olivier Cresp), Givaudan for the Australian-native palette they opened to him, Takasago for solar/luminous freshness, Robertet for the new aquatic-creamy direction in Pacific Rock Flower.
  • “Elixir” for Weber is not a flanker convention — it's the pure absolute essence of a fragrance, the deeper version of the same atmosphere. Silky Woods Elixir was finished only when he insisted, against the perfumer's instinct that the formula was done, on adding a green fig leaf.
  • He uses open briefs and works with younger perfumers on purpose: “the industry today is too focused on hierarchy. Talent is everywhere — you just need to feed it.” Direct echo of the perfumer-author vocabulary in 011 Malle.
  • Direct cross-link: Olivier Cresp (003) created Silky Woods Elixir for Weber. The same perfumer whose ‘if I get lost, the formula is too long’ framing in 003 is here applied to an eleven-ingredient deep-rainforest study.
  • ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์˜ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ์ •์ฒด์„ฑ์€ ํ™๋ƒ„์ƒˆ ๋‚˜๊ณ , ์šฐ๋””ํ•˜๊ณ , ์•„๋กœ๋งˆํ‹ฑํ•˜๋‹ค — ํ”Œ๋กœ๋Ÿด์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋‹ค (“์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ๊ฝƒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ํ–ฅ์ด ์—†๋‹ค”). Goldfield & Banks๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์œ„์— ์ž์‹ ์„ ์„ธ์šด ‘๊ตญ๊ฐ€-๊ทธ-์ž์ฒด๋กœ์„œ์˜ ์Šคํƒ€์ผ’์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ด€์ฐฐ.
  • ํ˜„๋Œ€ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋Š” ์ƒŒ๋‹ฌ์šฐ๋“œ์˜ ์ƒ๋‹น ๋ถ€๋ถ„ (Mysore์˜ ๋Œ€์ฒด ํฌํ•จ) ์ด ์„œํ˜ธ์ฃผ์—์„œ ์˜จ๋‹ค. ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์‚ฐ Santalum spicatum์„ ๊ณต๊ฐœ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•œ ์ฒซ ์ฃผ์š” ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋Š” 1974๋…„ Opium.
  • Weber๋Š” ์žฅ๋ฅด ๊ฐ•์ ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ํ•˜์šฐ์Šค๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•œ๋‹ค: ์šฐ๋”” ๊ณ„์—ด์€ Firmenich (Hamid Merati-Kashani, Olivier Cresp), ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ๋„ค์ดํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ ํŒ”๋ ˆํŠธ๋Š” Givaudan, ์†”๋ผ(solar)/๋ฃจ๋ฏธ๋„ˆ์Šค ์‹ ์„ ํ•จ์€ Takasago, Pacific Rock Flower์˜ ์ƒˆ ‘์•„์ฟ ์•„ํ‹ฑ ํฌ๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ’ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์€ Robertet.
  • Weber์—๊ฒŒ ‘์—˜๋ฆญ์‹œ๋ฅด’๋Š” ํ”Œ๋žญ์ปค ๊ด€ํ–‰์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์˜ ‘์ˆœ์ˆ˜ํ•œ ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ๋ณธ์งˆ(pure absolute essence)’์ด๋ฉฐ, ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ถ„์œ„๊ธฐ์˜ ๋” ๊นŠ์€ ๋ฒ„์ „์ด๋‹ค. Silky Woods Elixir๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ์˜ ‘์™„์„ฑ๋๋‹ค’๋Š” ์ง๊ฐ์— ๋งž์„œ ๊ทธ๋ฆฐ ํ”ผ๊ทธ ๋ฆฌํ”„(green fig leaf) ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๊ณ ์ง‘ํ•œ ๋์— ๋น„๋กœ์†Œ ๋งˆ๋ฌด๋ฆฌ๋˜์—ˆ๋‹ค.
  • ๊ทธ๋Š” ์˜คํ”ˆ ๋ธŒ๋ฆฌํ”„๋ฅผ ํ™œ์šฉํ•˜๊ณ , ์˜๋„์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ Š์€ ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ผํ•œ๋‹ค: “์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ์‚ฐ์—…์€ ์œ„๊ณ„์— ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ง‘์ค‘๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๋‹ค. ์žฌ๋Šฅ์€ ์–ด๋””์—๋‚˜ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ธธ๋Ÿฌ ์ฃผ๊ธฐ๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋œ๋‹ค.” 011 Malle์˜ ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ-์ €์ž ์–ดํœ˜์™€ ์ง์ ‘ ๊ณต๋ช…ํ•œ๋‹ค.
  • ์ง์ ‘ ๊ต์ฐจ ์ฐธ์กฐ: Olivier Cresp (003) ๊ฐ€ Weber๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด Silky Woods Elixir์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ๋‹ค. 003์—์„œ ‘๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ธธ์„ ์žƒ๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ฒ˜๋ฐฉ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๊ธด ๊ฒƒ’์ด๋ผ ๋งํ•œ ๊ทธ ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€, ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ๋Š” 11๊ฐ€์ง€ ์›๋ฃŒ์˜ ๊นŠ์€ ์—ด๋Œ€ ์šฐ๋ฆผ ์—ฐ๊ตฌ์— ๊ฐ™์€ ์‚ฌ์œ  ๋ฐฉ์‹์„ ์ ์šฉํ•œ ์…ˆ์ด๋‹ค.
EMMA / Perfume Room์— ๋งˆ / Perfume Room

Dimitri, the first question that I always ask every guest on Perfume Room is, what are you wearing today, fragrance-wise of course.

๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ, Perfume Room์—์„œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒŒ์ŠคํŠธ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋จผ์ € ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์–ด๋–ค ํ–ฅ์„ ๋‘๋ฅด๊ณ  ๊ณ„์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Today I'm wearing Mystic Bliss for a change. It's hot and humid here. I've got a corporate meeting this afternoon, I feel like I'm wearing a white shirt, and I thought, let me wear something more sophisticated. Mystic Bliss is a modern chypre.

์˜ค๋Š˜์€ ํ‰์†Œ์™€ ๋‹ค๋ฅด๊ฒŒ Mystic Bliss๋ฅผ ๋‘๋ฅด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ณณ์€ ๋ฅ๊ณ  ์Šตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜คํ›„์— ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค ๋ฏธํŒ…์ด ์žˆ์–ด์„œ, ํ™”์ดํŠธ ์…”์ธ ๋ฅผ ์ž…์€ ๋А๋‚Œ์ด๋ผ, ์ข€ ๋” ์„ธ๋ จ๋œ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋‘๋ฅด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Mystic Bliss๋Š” ๋ชจ๋˜ํ•œ ์‹œํ”„๋ ˆ(chypre)์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

EMMA / Perfume Room์— ๋งˆ / Perfume Room

If you had to assign something as the closest you have to a signature scent or signature scent profile, what would it be?

๋ณธ์ธ์˜ ‘์‹œ๊ทธ๋„ˆ์ฒ˜ ํ–ฅ’ ๋˜๋Š” ์‹œ๊ทธ๋„ˆ์ฒ˜ ํ–ฅ ํ”„๋กœํŒŒ์ผ์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์šด ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ๊ผฝ์œผ์‹ ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์–ด๋–ค ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Purple Suede, definitely. People know me for wearing Purple Suede. It's been my signature scent for many years, and I think it really reflects my personality — I like sophisticated, complex fragrances, and people know I like luxury, so it smells quite luxurious.

Purple Suede์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ํ™•์‹คํžˆ. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ €๋ฅผ Purple Suede์˜ ํ–ฅ๊ณผ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ์ง€์–ด ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋žœ ์„ธ์›” ๋™์•ˆ ์ €์˜ ์‹œ๊ทธ๋„ˆ์ฒ˜ ํ–ฅ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ , ์ œ ์ธ๊ฒฉ์„ ์ž˜ ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์ €๋Š” ์„ธ๋ จ๋˜๊ณ  ๋ณตํ•ฉ์ ์ธ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ณ , ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋Ÿญ์…”๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ๋„ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—, ๊ทธ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋Š” ๊ฝค ๋Ÿญ์…”๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ’๊น๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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And the third question I always ask every guest is, what is your fragrance hot take or controversial opinion?

๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์„ธ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๋‹จ๊ณจ ์งˆ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ณธ์ธ์˜ ‘ํ•ซ ํ…Œ์ดํฌ’ ๋˜๋Š” ๋…ผ์Ÿ์  ์˜๊ฒฌ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Rubbing. When people say you can't rub fragrances on your skin — I think all of that is a bit much. I like to rub, what's wrong with rubbing a little bit? Especially with niche fragrances, because they're often richer; when you spray them on your skin they're quite oily, so full of oils and essences. I like to rub them, like a body oil, it shimmers. With pure-alcohol fragrances, you're not in the mood for rubbing. But with the richer ones, it's like a ritual.

‘๋ฌธ์ง€๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ(rubbing)’์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ‘ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋Š” ํ”ผ๋ถ€์— ๋ฌธ์ง€๋ฅด๋ฉด ์•ˆ ๋œ๋‹ค’๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ — ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์ข€ ๊ณผํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ด…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ๋ฌธ์ง€๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ฌธ์ง€๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ญ๊ฐ€ ๋ฌธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ํŠนํžˆ ๋‹ˆ์น˜ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ, ํ’์„ฑํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํ”ผ๋ถ€์— ๋ฟŒ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด ๊ฝค ์˜ค์ผ๋ฆฌ(oily)ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์˜ค์ผ๊ณผ ์—์„ผ์Šค๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋“ ์ฐจ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฌธ์ง€๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๋งˆ์น˜ ๋ฐ”๋”” ์˜ค์ผ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ๋ฐ˜์ง์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆœ์ˆ˜ ์•Œ์ฝ”์˜ฌ ๋ฒ ์ด์Šค์˜ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋ผ๋ฉด ๋ฌธ์ง€๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ๋“ค์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ํ’์„ฑํ•œ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์—์„œ๋Š”, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ผ์ข…์˜ ์˜๋ก€(ritual)๊ฐ€ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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I'd like to go back to the beginning. I've read and listened to interviews where you've always been a lover and a critic of perfume. What are some of your earliest perfume memories?

์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€ ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐ๋“ค์—์„œ ๋ณธ์ธ์ด ๋Š˜ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์˜ ์• ํ˜ธ๊ฐ€์ด์ž ๋น„ํ‰๊ฐ€์˜€๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ด๋ฅธ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ๊ธฐ์–ต์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

We go back to when I was about six. I was already choosing my mom's fragrances. I remember teachers in boarding school asking me for advice, giving me samples. One of the first fragrances I can recall was Giacomo — a French brand, very 1980s. I still have the vial somewhere. I was born in the early 70s, and in the 80s having little samples of Chanel No. 5 was real luxury. There were only a handful of brands, and if you had one, that was the pinnacle.

์—ฌ์„ฏ ์‚ด ๋ฌด๋ ต์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋•Œ ์ด๋ฏธ ์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ์˜ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๊ณจ๋ผ ๋“œ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธฐ์ˆ™ ํ•™๊ต ์‹œ์ ˆ, ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ์ œ๊ฒŒ ์กฐ์–ธ์„ ๊ตฌํ•˜์‹œ๊ณ  ์ƒ˜ํ”Œ์„ ์ฃผ์‹œ๋˜ ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ด๋ฅธ ๊ธฐ์–ต์˜ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” Giacomo — ๋งค์šฐ 1980๋…„๋Œ€๋‹ค์šด ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ž‘์€ ๋ณ‘์ด ์•„์ง ์–ด๋”˜๊ฐ€์— ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” 70๋…„๋Œ€ ์ดˆ์— ํƒœ์–ด๋‚ฌ๊ณ , 80๋…„๋Œ€์— Chanel No. 5์˜ ๋ฏธ๋‹ˆ์–ด์ฒ˜ ์ƒ˜ํ”Œ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ง„์งœ ๋Ÿญ์…”๋ฆฌ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐœ๋ฟ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ผ๋„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ •์ ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

EMMA / Perfume Room์— ๋งˆ / Perfume Room

Did you say you were picking out fragrances for your teachers? How did that come about?

์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์˜ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ณจ๋ผ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ์…จ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋˜์…จ๋‚˜์š”?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

I was a fan of perfumes, always passionate. I collected beauty magazines, the inside beauty news folders, so they knew I loved perfumes. The first money I had was a school trip to England. My mom gave me a bit of money to buy candy or whatever, and I spent it all on perfume on that ferry boat going from Calais to England. I hadn't even arrived in England yet and the money was already gone.

์ €๋Š” ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์˜ ํŒฌ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ , ๋Š˜ ์—ด์ •์ ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ทฐํ‹ฐ ๋งค๊ฑฐ์ง„, ์ธ์‚ฌ์ด๋“œ ๋ทฐํ‹ฐ ๋‰ด์Šค ํด๋” ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ๋ชจ์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—, ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜์Œ ์†์— ์ฅ” ๋ˆ์€ ํ•™๊ต ์˜๊ตญ ์—ฌํ–‰ ๋น„์šฉ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋จธ๋‹ˆ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌํƒ•์ด๋‚˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‚ฌ๋ผ๊ณ  ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋ˆ์„ ์ฃผ์…จ๋Š”๋ฐ, ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋ˆ์„ ์นผ๋ ˆ(Calais)์—์„œ ์˜๊ตญ์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๋Š” ํŽ˜๋ฆฌ ์•ˆ์—์„œ ์ „๋ถ€ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์— ์ผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ตญ์— ๋„์ฐฉํ•˜๊ธฐ๋„ ์ „์— ๋ˆ์€ ์ด๋ฏธ ์‚ฌ๋ผ์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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What was the first perfume you ever wore that felt like a way to editorialise yourself?

์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ‘๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์„ ํŽธ์ง‘(editorialize)ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹’์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋А๊ปด์ง„ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

That was Coco, the original Coco by Chanel. Launched in the 80s — I vividly remember receiving a sample and saying this is the most beautiful perfume. It was very Baroque, opulent, rich. I was very drawn to the campaign with Inès de la Fressange. That perfume reflected who I was as a teenager. The other fragrances I'd been given — Giacomo, Ted Lapidus — were too masculine for me. But Coco, oh my god, that was it.

๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ Coco — ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋„ Coco by Chanel์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 80๋…„๋Œ€์— ์ถœ์‹œ๋œ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋กœ, ์ƒ˜ํ”Œ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜์„ ๋•Œ ‘์ด๊ฑด ์„ธ์ƒ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋‹ค’๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ์ƒ์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์šฐ ๋ฐ”๋กœํฌ์ ์ด๊ณ , ํ’์„ฑํ•˜๊ณ , ํ™”๋ คํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Inès de la Fressange๊ฐ€ ๋“ฑ์žฅํ•œ ์บ ํŽ˜์ธ์— ๊นŠ์ด ๋Œ๋ ธ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์‹ญ๋Œ€์˜€๋˜ ์ € ์ž์‹ ์„ ์ž˜ ๋ฐ˜์˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ›์•˜๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋“ค — Giacomo, Ted Lapidus ๋“ฑ — ์€ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋‚จ์„ฑ์ ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ Coco๋Š”, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹ต์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

EMMA / Perfume Room์— ๋งˆ / Perfume Room

At what point did you go from a consumer of fragrance into the industry?

‘ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ์†Œ๋น„์ž’์—์„œ ‘์—…๊ณ„ ์ข…์‚ฌ์ž’๋กœ ์˜ฎ๊ฒจ ๊ฐ€์‹  ์‹œ์ ์€ ์–ธ์ œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Like any young person, I needed weekend money. Spending Saturdays in a restaurant wasn't my thing; I'd rather spend my time in a department store selling perfumes. The agency I worked with gave me a chance to work in the department store, starting on Saturdays, then Wednesday afternoons. That was my first real connection with the perfume world — the counters, how it worked. The whole environment looked very different than it does today.

์–ด๋–ค ์ Š์€์ด์™€๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ, ์ฃผ๋ง์— ์“ธ ๋ˆ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ† ์š”์ผ์„ ์‹๋‹น์—์„œ ๋ณด๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ ์ทจํ–ฅ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์ฐจ๋ผ๋ฆฌ ๋ฐฑํ™”์ ์—์„œ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํŒŒ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์“ฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•˜๋˜ ์—์ด์ „์‹œ๊ฐ€ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฐฑํ™”์ ์—์„œ ์ผํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ํ† ์š”์ผ์— ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด, ์ดํ›„ ์ˆ˜์š”์ผ ์˜คํ›„๊นŒ์ง€. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ์„ธ๊ณ„์™€ ๋งบ์€ ์ฒซ ์ง„์ •ํ•œ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์นด์šดํ„ฐ, ๊ทธ ์ž‘๋™ ๋ฐฉ์‹. ๋‹น์‹œ์˜ ํ™˜๊ฒฝ์€ ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚ ์˜ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ฌ๋ผ ๋ณด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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You spent about 20 years in the industry before founding Goldfield and Banks. Can you take us through some of the roles?

Goldfield and Banks๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ๋ฆฝํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „ ์•ฝ 20๋…„์„ ์—…๊ณ„์—์„œ ๋ณด๋‚ด์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์‹œ๊ธฐ์˜ ์—ญํ• ๋“ค์„ ์งš์–ด ์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„๊นŒ์š”?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

I studied art and fashion, but I always knew I loved working with perfumes — the campaigns, the launches. I was talking too much with customers and not selling enough, but I knew this was the industry. Many years later I got the opportunity at Yves Saint Laurent — retail, then education, then PR. I was 21 or 22. I stayed seven years. While I was there YSL was bought by Gucci, Tom Ford came in, and we got our first taste of the corporate world starting in the 2000s — launches, budgets, brands being sold and bought.

์ €๋Š” ๋ฏธ์ˆ ๊ณผ ํŒจ์…˜์„ ๊ณต๋ถ€ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์€ ๋Š˜ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์บ ํŽ˜์ธ, ์ถœ์‹œ. ๊ณ ๊ฐ๊ณผ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์ด ๋Œ€ํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ํŒ”์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด ์‚ฐ์—…์ด ์ €์˜ ์‚ฐ์—…์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•Œ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆ˜๋…„์ด ์ง€๋‚œ ํ›„ Yves Saint Laurent์—์„œ ๊ธฐํšŒ๊ฐ€ ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์ฒ˜์Œ์—๋Š” ๋ฆฌํ…Œ์ผ, ๊ทธ ๋‹ค์Œ ์—๋“€์ผ€์ด์…˜, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  PR. ๊ทธ๋•Œ ์ €๋Š” 21~22์„ธ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 7๋…„์„ ๋จธ๋ฌผ๋ €์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ์ด YSL์ด Gucci์— ๋งค๊ฐ๋˜์—ˆ๊ณ , Tom Ford๊ฐ€ ๋“ค์–ด์™”์œผ๋ฉฐ, 2000๋…„๋Œ€ ์ดˆ์˜ ๊ธฐ์—… ์„ธ๊ณ„ — ์ถœ์‹œ, ์˜ˆ์‚ฐ, ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์‚ฌ๊ณ ํŒ”๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๊ตฌ์กฐ — ๋ฅผ ์ฒ˜์Œ์œผ๋กœ ๋ง›๋ณด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Then I spent 12 years with a fantastic company called BPI — Beauté Prestige International — part of Shiseido, the licence holders of Issey Miyake and Jean Paul Gaultier. We launched Narciso Rodriguez, which is a fantastic brand. Those were the most beautiful years of my career. Narciso Rodriguez was considered niche back then.

๊ทธ ํ›„ 12๋…„์„ ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ธ ํšŒ์‚ฌ BPI — Beauté Prestige International, Shiseido ์‚ฐํ•˜์ด์ž Issey Miyake์™€ Jean Paul Gaultier์˜ ๋ผ์ด์„ ์Šค๋ฅผ ๋ณด์œ ํ•œ ๊ณณ — ์—์„œ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €ํฌ๊ฐ€ Narciso Rodriguez๋ฅผ ์ถœ์‹œํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ํ™˜์ƒ์ ์ธ ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์› ๋˜ ์‹œ๊ธฐ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹œ Narciso Rodriguez๋Š” ๋‹ˆ์น˜(niche)๋กœ ๋ถ„๋ฅ˜๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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Was the goal always to have your own brand?

๋ณธ์ธ์˜ ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋Š˜ ๋ชฉํ‘œ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Not at all. Before moving to Australia I had my own agency in marketing communication — always fragrances. I consulted brands on their go-to-market plans, development, candles. But I never really wanted my own brand — there are so many brands in France, and many fail. I didn't want to be the one that failed. Why launch another French brand? It was Cartier that sent me to Australia, to host a press conference and organise a training session for their new Australian distributor. That's how I came here for the first time.

์ „ํ˜€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜ธ์ฃผ๋กœ ์ด์ฃผํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „, ์ €๋Š” ๋งˆ์ผ€ํŒ…ยท์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆ์ผ€์ด์…˜ ๋ถ„์•ผ์˜ ์ œ ์—์ด์ „์‹œ๋ฅผ ์šด์˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ๋Š˜ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. GTM(go-to-market) ๊ณ„ํš, ๊ฐœ๋ฐœ, ์บ”๋“ค ๋“ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๋“ค์— ์ž๋ฌธํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ €๋Š” ๊ฒฐ์ฝ” ์ œ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ–๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค์—๋Š” ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์€ ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋งŽ์€ ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์‹คํŒจํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ์‹คํŒจ์˜ ์ฃผ์ธ๊ณต์ด ๋˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ ๋˜ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜ ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ถœ์‹œํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์ €๋ฅผ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ๋กœ ๋ณด๋‚ธ ๊ณณ์€ Cartier์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์ƒˆ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ๋””์ŠคํŠธ๋ฆฌ๋ทฐํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ธฐ์žํšŒ๊ฒฌ ํ˜ธ์ŠคํŒ…๊ณผ ํŠธ๋ ˆ์ด๋‹ ์„ธ์…˜ ์กฐ์ง์„ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ €๋Š” ์ฒ˜์Œ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์— ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

That trip opened my eyes. This is an amazing country, a huge continent with so many ingredients already used in our fragrance industry. Most of the sandalwood in perfumes comes from Western Australia — but nobody knows that. People talk about Indian sandalwood; few realise Indian sandalwood is also harvested in Australia. Mysore sandalwood is now grown largely in Australia for sustainability reasons. There's also a little flower called Boronia that blossoms in Tasmania in September; its absolute was used in a Dior fragrance in the 60s. Australia was never on the perfume world's map, and I thought, that's not fair — this country is perfumery, it is oils and essences and botanicals.

๊ทธ ์—ฌํ–‰์ด ์ œ ๋ˆˆ์„ ์—ด์–ด ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ณณ์€ ๋†€๋ผ์šด ๋‚˜๋ผ์ด๊ณ , ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ์‚ฐ์—…์—์„œ ์ด๋ฏธ ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ์›๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง„ ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋Œ€๋ฅ™์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์— ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๋Š” ์ƒŒ๋‹ฌ์šฐ๋“œ ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ ์„œํ˜ธ์ฃผ์—์„œ ์˜ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์•„๋ฌด๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ชจ๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ธ๋„์‚ฐ ์ƒŒ๋‹ฌ์šฐ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ์ธ๋„์‚ฐ ์ƒŒ๋‹ฌ์šฐ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์—์„œ๋„ ์ˆ˜ํ™•๋œ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์€ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์•Œ๋ ค์ ธ ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์ด์†Œ๋ฅด(Mysore) ์ƒŒ๋‹ฌ์šฐ๋“œ๋Š” ์ง€์†๊ฐ€๋Šฅ์„ฑ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋กœ ์ธํ•ด ์ด์ œ ์ƒ๋‹น ๋ถ€๋ถ„ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์—์„œ ์žฌ๋ฐฐ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ 9์›” ํƒœ์ฆˆ๋ฉ”์ด๋‹ˆ์•„์— ํ”ผ๋Š” ์ž‘์€ ๊ฝƒ Boronia๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ ์•ฑ์†”๋ฃจํŠธ(absolute)๋Š” 60๋…„๋Œ€ ํ•œ Dior ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์— ์‚ฌ์šฉ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜ธ์ฃผ๋Š” ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ์„ธ๊ณ„์˜ ์ง€๋„์— ์—†์—ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ €๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ‘๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ณต์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค, ์ด ๋‚˜๋ผ๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ž์ฒด๋กœ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์ด๊ณ , ์˜ค์ผ์ด๊ณ , ์—์„ผ์Šค์ด๊ณ , ์‹๋ฌผ์ด๋‹ค.’

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Is there any history of perfumery in Australia, prior to Goldfield and Banks?

Goldfield and Banks ์ด์ „, ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์— ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์˜ ์—ญ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Australia is part of Oceania, where there are many rituals and oils — from New Zealand to Tahiti and Fiji — with beautiful ingredients. In Australia the indigenous communities use many oils, but there isn't really a connection to perfumery as such. There isn't a perfume history here, which is a shame, because there are so many botanicals and essential oils. Australia has always been known for body care, sun care, wines — but perfumery is the most recent addition. When I started there was almost nothing on the market; today there are probably 30 to 40 brands. I'm proud that, through working very hard, I've helped put Australia on the perfume map.

ํ˜ธ์ฃผ๋Š” ์˜ค์„ธ์•„๋‹ˆ์•„์— ์†ํ•˜๊ณ , ์ด ์ง€์—ญ์€ ๋‰ด์งˆ๋žœ๋“œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ํƒ€ํžˆํ‹ฐ, ํ”ผ์ง€์— ์ด๋ฅด๊ธฐ๊นŒ์ง€ ์ˆ˜๋งŽ์€ ์˜๋ก€์™€ ์˜ค์ผ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์˜ ์›์ฃผ๋ฏผ ๊ณต๋™์ฒด๋Š” ๋งŽ์€ ์˜ค์ผ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ณธ๊ฒฉ์ ์ธ ์˜๋ฏธ์˜ ‘ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜’์™€๋Š” ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ณณ์—๋Š” ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์˜ ์—ญ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์—†์œผ๋ฉฐ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•ˆํƒ€๊นŒ์šด ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์‹๋ฌผ๊ณผ ์—์„ผ์…œ ์˜ค์ผ์ด ์ดํ† ๋ก ๋งŽ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜ธ์ฃผ๋Š” ๋Š˜ ๋ฐ”๋”” ์ผ€์–ด, ์„  ์ผ€์–ด, ์™€์ธ์œผ๋กœ ์ž˜ ์•Œ๋ ค์ ธ ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ์ถ”๊ฐ€๋œ ์นดํ…Œ๊ณ ๋ฆฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ์‹œ์žฅ์—๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜ ์•„๋ฌด๊ฒƒ๋„ ์—†์—ˆ๊ณ , ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚ ์—๋Š” 30~40๊ฐœ ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์กด์žฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์šฐ ์—ด์‹ฌํžˆ ์ผํ•˜์—ฌ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ๋ฅผ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ์ง€๋„์— ์˜ฌ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ผ์กฐํ–ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์ด ์ €์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ์ž๋ž‘์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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If you had to give a quintessential style to Australian perfumery, what is it?

ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์˜ ๋ณธ์งˆ์  ์Šคํƒ€์ผ์„ ํ•œ๋งˆ๋””๋กœ ์ •์˜ํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Earthy and woody. Even though it's a sunny, bright, crisp country, our nature here is so rich, so organic-looking, so diverse. I'd say Australian perfumery is earthy, grounded, woody, with aromatic hints — we have aromatic plants that have never been used in perfumery before. We're not a floral country. We have amazing flowers, but they don't smell. So: aromatic, woody, and earthy.

‘ํ™๋ƒ„์ƒˆ ๋‚˜๊ณ (earthy), ๋‚˜๋ฌด ํ–ฅ์ด ์ง™์€(woody)’์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ–‡์‚ด์ด ๊ฐ•ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋ฐ๊ณ  ๋ง‘์€ ๋‚˜๋ผ์ด์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด๊ณณ์˜ ์ž์—ฐ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ํ’์š”๋กญ๊ณ , ๋งค์šฐ ์œ ๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ณด์ด๋ฉฐ, ์–ด๋А ๊ณณ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋Š” ํ™๋ƒ„์ƒˆ, ๋‹จ๋‹จํ•œ ๊ทธ๋ผ์šด๋“œ(grounded), ์šฐ๋””(woody), ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ์•„๋กœ๋งˆํ‹ฑ(aromatic) — ๊ทธ๋™์•ˆ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์— ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ์“ฐ์ธ ์  ์—†๋Š” ์•„๋กœ๋งˆํ‹ฑ ์‹๋ฌผ๋“ค์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ”Œ๋กœ๋Ÿด(floral) ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋†€๋ผ์šด ๊ฝƒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ํ–ฅ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฏ€๋กœ: ์•„๋กœ๋งˆํ‹ฑ, ์šฐ๋””, ํ™๋ƒ„์ƒˆ.

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You said you wanted to make just a few perfumes and see how it goes. As a seasoned veteran of the industry, what did that look like in practice?

‘๋ช‡ ๊ฐœ์˜ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋งŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด ๋ณด๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋ณด์ž’๋Š” ๋งˆ์Œ์œผ๋กœ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์…จ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—…๊ณ„์˜ ๋ฒ ํ…Œ๋ž‘์œผ๋กœ์„œ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ง„ํ–‰๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

The biggest challenge was surrounding myself with people in Australia who could help realise the project. Making perfumes is one thing; making luxury is another. I was very lucky — through Google I found a French perfumer in Australia, fifth-generation, based in Melbourne. His name is François Merleau-Baudoin. He was working at one of the only large fine-fragrance and essential-oil supply firms in Australia. He's the one who opened the doors to the Australian natives — he had them in his palette alongside the standard coumarin, vanillin and so on. That to me was: oh my god, finally. This is the holy grail.

๊ฐ€์žฅ ํฐ ๋„์ „์€ ์ด ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋ฅผ ์‹คํ˜„์‹œ์ผœ ์ค„ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ๋‚ด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๋กœ ์ €๋ฅผ ๋‘˜๋Ÿฌ์‹ธ๋Š” ์ผ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋Ÿญ์…”๋ฆฌ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์šด์ด ์ข‹์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ๊ตฌ๊ธ€์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ๋ฉœ๋ฒ„๋ฅธ์— ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ•˜๋Š” 5์„ธ๋Œ€ ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ์˜ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ François Merleau-Baudoin์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์˜ ๋ช‡ ์•ˆ ๋˜๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ˜• ํŒŒ์ธ ํ”„๋ž˜๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ์Šค ๋ฐ ์—์„ผ์…œ ์˜ค์ผ ๊ณต๊ธ‰์‚ฌ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ๋„ค์ดํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ(natives)์˜ ๋ฌธ์„ ์—ด์–ด ์ค€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ๊ทธ์˜ ํŒ”๋ ˆํŠธ(palette) ์•ˆ์—๋Š” ํ‘œ์ค€์ ์ธ ์ฟ ๋งˆ๋ฆฐ, ๋ฐ”๋‹๋ฆฐ๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ๋„ค์ดํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ณง ‘์•„, ๋“œ๋””์–ด. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ฐพ๋˜ ์„ฑ๋ฐฐ(holy grail)๋‹ค’์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

I started with a blank canvas. I sat down and began writing my story — my own story, and the story of Joseph Banks, the 18th-century botanist who came to Australia and brought back species of plants to Europe. The Goldfield and Banks story is about the earth, the land, going back to the essence of perfumery — ingredients. I didn't want a brand that was ‘inspired by two people kissing on the Eiffel Tower’ or ‘I was on a plane and this happened.’ This is about the real stuff: the botany, the extraordinary beauty of the country, the islands, the forests. No one had ever done it before.

์ €๋Š” ๋นˆ ์บ”๋ฒ„์Šค์—์„œ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ์•‰์•„ ์ œ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์“ฐ๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์ œ ๊ฐœ์ธ์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  18์„ธ๊ธฐ์— ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์— ์™€์„œ ์œ ๋Ÿฝ์œผ๋กœ ์‹๋ฌผ ์ข…์„ ๊ฐ€์ ธ๊ฐ„ ์‹๋ฌผํ•™์ž Joseph Banks์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ. Goldfield and Banks์˜ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋Š” ํ™๊ณผ ๋•…์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ฉฐ, ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์˜ ๋ณธ์งˆ — ์›๋ฃŒ(ingredients) — ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€๋Š” ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ‘์—ํŽ ํƒ‘ ์œ„์—์„œ ํ‚ค์Šคํ•˜๋Š” ๋‘ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์—๊ฒŒ์„œ ์˜๊ฐ์„ ๋ฐ›์•˜๋‹ค’๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ‘๋น„ํ–‰๊ธฐ์—์„œ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ผ์ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค’๋Š” ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์›์น˜ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๋Š” ์ง„์งœ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ — ์‹๋ฌผํ•™, ์ด ๋‚˜๋ผ์˜ ๋น„๋ฒ”ํ•œ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์›€, ์„ฌ๊ณผ ์ˆฒ. ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ๋„ ๊ทธ ์ „์— ์‹œ๋„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋˜ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

EMMA / Perfume Room์— ๋งˆ / Perfume Room

What were the most inspiring plants you discovered that made you think — there needs to be a perfume behind this?

‘์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์ค‘์‹ฌ์œผ๋กœ ํ•œ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค’๊ณ  ๋А๋ผ๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ , ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์˜๊ฐ์„ ์ค€ ์‹๋ฌผ๋“ค์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Finger lime — also called caviar lime — was one of them. A tiny lime shaped like a finger; you cut it in half and inside are pearl-like beads. The peel has a very unusual scent, not your usual lemon or lime, more salty. Years later, Givaudan reached out: they'd heard about my brand and wanted to work with me. They said, we have a handful of Australian natives and we want to call you first before giving them away. That's how I created Bohémien — still one of our best-selling fragrances worldwide, a very unusual citrus.

Finger lime — ์บ๋น„์–ด ๋ผ์ž„(caviar lime)์ด๋ผ๊ณ ๋„ ๋ถˆ๋ฆฌ๋Š” — ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์†๊ฐ€๋ฝ ๋ชจ์–‘์˜ ์ž‘์€ ๋ผ์ž„์œผ๋กœ, ์ž˜๋ผ ๋ณด๋ฉด ์•ˆ์— ์ง„์ฃผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์•Œ๊ฐฑ์ด๋“ค์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ป์งˆ์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ํŠน์ดํ•œ ํ–ฅ์ด ๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์ธ ๋ ˆ๋ชฌ์ด๋‚˜ ๋ผ์ž„ ํ–ฅ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ, ์ข€ ๋” ์งญ์งคํ•œ ํ–ฅ. ์ˆ˜๋…„ ๋’ค Givaudan์—์„œ ์—ฐ๋ฝ์ด ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค: ์ €ํฌ ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋“ค์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๊ณ . ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ‘์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ๋„ค์ดํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๊ณ , ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ ๋„˜๊ธฐ๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๋จผ์ € ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์ „ํ™”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ๋‹ค’. ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์ง„ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ Bohémien์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ž˜ ํŒ”๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ด๋ฉฐ, ๋งค์šฐ ํŠน์ดํ•œ ์‹œํŠธ๋Ÿฌ์Šค ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

I also discovered Australian agarwood, which is amazing. It's not a native to Australia but it grows here in a sustainable way. We recently organised a PR trip with ten KOLs visiting the agarwood plantations to see how farmers in Australia can grow beautiful, pure organic oils. That's what inspires me and drives me to create more perfumes. The experience and career before this enabled me to create Australia's first luxury perfume house — I didn't want to do tubes or simple body sprays. That's not me.

๋˜ํ•œ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ์•„๊ฐ€์šฐ๋“œ(Australian agarwood)๋ฅผ ๋ฐœ๊ฒฌํ–ˆ๋Š”๋ฐ, ๋†€๋ผ์šด ์›๋ฃŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์˜ ๋„ค์ดํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ๋Š” ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์ด๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ง€์†๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ์žฌ๋ฐฐ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ตœ๊ทผ 10๋ช…์˜ KOL๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์•„๊ฐ€์šฐ๋“œ ๋†์žฅ์„ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธํ•˜๋Š” PR ํˆฌ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์—์„œ ๋†๋ถ€๋“ค์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ต๊ณ  ์ˆœ์ˆ˜ํ•œ ์œ ๊ธฐ ์˜ค์ผ์„ ๊ธธ๋Ÿฌ ๋‚ด๋Š”์ง€ ์ง์ ‘ ๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ชฉ์ ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์˜๊ฐ์„ ์ฃผ๊ณ , ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค๋„๋ก ์ถ”๋™ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด์ „์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜๊ณผ ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์ด ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ์ตœ์ดˆ์˜ ๋Ÿญ์…”๋ฆฌ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ํ•˜์šฐ์Šค๋ฅผ ์ฐฝ๋ฆฝํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ฒŒ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์ €๋Š” ํŠœ๋ธŒ ์ œํ’ˆ์ด๋‚˜ ๋‹จ์ˆœํ•œ ๋ฐ”๋”” ์Šคํ”„๋ ˆ์ด๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

EMMA / Perfume Room์— ๋งˆ / Perfume Room

What are the nuances of Australian sandalwood or agarwood that we wouldn't find elsewhere?

๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ง€์—ญ์—์„œ๋Š” ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋Š”, ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์‚ฐ ์ƒŒ๋‹ฌ์šฐ๋“œ ๋˜๋Š” ์•„๊ฐ€์šฐ๋“œ์˜ ๋ฏธ๋ฌ˜ํ•œ ์ฐจ์ด๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Years ago a Western Australia company called Westcorp invited me to visit their factory — they shared with me more than fifty species of sandalwood we have in this region. Westcorp trades in sandalwood and processes the incense versions sold globally to China and Japan. The factory was one of the best experiences I've had in eleven years here. Because of bushfire and safety reasons, it's divided by massive sliding metal doors between each room. Each room contains a different species of sandalwood; each time you open one of those doors, a different beautiful sandalwood scent. I still smell it when I close my eyes. The first major fragrance to openly use Australian native sandalwood (Santalum spicatum) was Opium in 1974. Before that, brands talked only about Indian sandalwood — Australian was considered lesser. Today the Australian species are seen as more modern, more wearable, younger and more vibrant — a little rougher and edgier than the creamy Indian one.

์ˆ˜๋…„ ์ „ ์„œํ˜ธ์ฃผ์˜ Westcorp์ด๋ผ๋Š” ํšŒ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์ €๋ฅผ ๊ณต์žฅ ๋ฐฉ๋ฌธ์— ์ดˆ๋Œ€ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ด ์ง€์—ญ์— 50์ข… ์ด์ƒ์˜ ์ƒŒ๋‹ฌ์šฐ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ๊ณต์œ ํ•ด ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Westcorp์€ ์ƒŒ๋‹ฌ์šฐ๋“œ๋ฅผ ๊ฑฐ๋ž˜ํ•˜๊ณ , ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ค‘๊ตญยท์ผ๋ณธ์— ํŒ๋งค๋˜๋Š” ์ธ์„ผ์Šค์šฉ ๊ฐ€๊ณต๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ๊ณต์žฅ์€ ์ด๊ณณ์—์„œ์˜ 11๋…„ ์ค‘ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์•˜๋˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฐ๋ถˆ๊ณผ ์•ˆ์ „์ƒ์˜ ์ด์œ ๋กœ ๊ฐ ๋ฐฉ ์‚ฌ์ด์— ๊ฑฐ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์Šฌ๋ผ์ด๋”ฉ ๊ธˆ์† ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ , ๊ฐ ๋ฐฉ์—๋Š” ์„œ๋กœ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ข…(็จฎ)์˜ ์ƒŒ๋‹ฌ์šฐ๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ๊ทธ ๋ฌธ์„ ์—ด ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ์ƒŒ๋‹ฌ์šฐ๋“œ์˜ ํ–ฅ์ด ํ˜๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ˆˆ์„ ๊ฐ์œผ๋ฉด ์ง€๊ธˆ๋„ ๊ทธ ํ–ฅ์ด ๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ๋„ค์ดํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ ์ƒŒ๋‹ฌ์šฐ๋“œ(Santalum spicatum)๋ฅผ ๊ณต๊ฐœ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•œ ์ฒซ ์ฃผ์š” ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋Š” 1974๋…„ Opium์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์ด์ „์—๋Š” ๋ธŒ๋žœ๋“œ๋“ค์ด ์ธ๋„์‚ฐ๋งŒ์„ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ๊ณ , ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์‚ฐ์€ ‘๋“ฑ๊ธ‰์ด ๋‚ฎ๋‹ค’๊ณ  ์—ฌ๊ฒจ์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์‚ฐ์€ ๋” ๋ชจ๋˜ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋” ์ž…๊ธฐ ์‰ฌ์šฐ๋ฉฐ, ๋” ์ Š๊ณ  ๋” ์ƒ๋™๊ฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ์ธ์‹๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ํฌ๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ(creamy)ํ•œ ์ธ๋„์‚ฐ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋‹ค์†Œ ๊ฑฐ์น ๊ณ  ์ข€ ๋” ๋‚ ์นด๋กœ์šด ๊ฒฐ์„ ๊ฐ€์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

EMMA / Perfume Room์— ๋งˆ / Perfume Room

When you're working with an oil house, do they bring you their Australian materials, or do you ever find an essential oil locally and bring it to them?

์˜ค์ผ ํ•˜์šฐ์Šค(oil house)์™€ ํ˜‘์—…ํ•˜์‹ค ๋•Œ — ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ์›๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜ต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋ณธ์ธ์ด ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์—์„œ ์—์„ผ์…œ ์˜ค์ผ์„ ์ฐพ์•„ ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์ ธ๊ฐ€์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

I do bring oils to them. Often local Australian farmers reach out and send me samples — they're distilling something, but it's not yet sustainable at scale. I take the oil to a perfumer. With Firmenich I've worked with Hamid Merati-Kashani and Olivier Kress. Olivier Kress — if you meet him one day, ask him to meet you with his oils. I had a beautiful Buddhawood oil, also called desert rosewood, an Australian native never used in perfumery before. For French perfumers this is much more exciting than briefs that ask for roses or jasmine from Grasse — that story has been told over and over again. Through my fragrances and my ingredients I offer a unique style of perfumery, and that intrigues perfumers.

์˜ค์ผ์„ ์ง์ ‘ ๊ฐ€์ ธ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข…์ข… ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ํ˜„์ง€ ๋†๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์—ฐ๋ฝํ•ด ์ƒ˜ํ”Œ์„ ๋ณด๋ƒ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ฆ๋ฅ˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ์•„์ง์€ ๊ทœ๋ชจ ๋ฉด์—์„œ ์ง€์†๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ์˜ค์ผ์„ ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๊ฐ€์ ธ๊ฐ‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Firmenich์—์„œ๋Š” Hamid Merati-Kashani์™€ Olivier Kress์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Olivier Kress — ์–ธ์  ๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋‚˜์‹ ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ทธ์˜ ์˜ค์ผ๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ๋งŒ๋‚˜ ๋ณด์‹œ๋ผ๊ณ  ๊ถŒํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋˜ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ์˜ค์ผ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ถ€๋‹ค์šฐ๋“œ(Buddhawood, ์‚ฌ๋ง‰ ๋กœ์ฆˆ์šฐ๋“œ๋ผ๊ณ ๋„ ๋ถˆ๋ฆผ)์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์— ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ๋„ ์“ฐ์ธ ์  ์—†๋Š” ํ˜ธ์ฃผ ๋„ค์ดํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์›๋ฃŒ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ผ์Šค(Grasse)์‚ฐ ์žฅ๋ฏธ๋‚˜ ์ž์Šค๋ฏผ์„ ์š”๊ตฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋ธŒ๋ฆฌํ”„๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ๊ทธ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์ด๋ฏธ ์ˆ˜์—†์ด ๋ฐ˜๋ณต๋˜์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €์˜ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์™€ ์›๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ €๋Š” ๊ณ ์œ ํ•œ ์Šคํƒ€์ผ์˜ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ œ์•ˆํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ๋“ค์„ ๋Œ์–ด๋‹น๊น๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

EMMA / Perfume Room์— ๋งˆ / Perfume Room

What would make you go to Firmenich for one project versus Givaudan for another?

ํ•œ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋Š” Firmenich๋กœ, ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋Š” Givaudan์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ€๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ธฐ์ค€์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Firmenich is very strong with woody notes. I love working with Hamid Merati. He created Wood Infusion for us, he created Silky Woods, and he was partly responsible for the creation of Silky Woods Elixir. A couple of years ago I had the idea of creating a ginger fragrance based on an Australian ginger. He said, ‘I'd like to work on this.’ I wasn't very keen — for me Hamid is the greatest perfumer for woody fragrances. But he created Ingenious Ginger, which is now our number-one fragrance worldwide. So sometimes you can be wrong; you have to give perfumers the freedom. I also work with Takasago — they are brilliant at making you travel through their notes, very fresh, solar, luminous — very fitting for this region. Every perfume house has its own signature.

Firmenich๋Š” ์šฐ๋”” ๋…ธํŠธ์— ๋งค์šฐ ๊ฐ•ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” Hamid Merati์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ์ €ํฌ๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด Wood Infusion์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ๊ณ , Silky Woods์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ, Silky Woods Elixir ์ฐฝ์ž‘์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€ ์ฑ…์ž„์ž์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ˆ˜๋…„ ์ „ ์ €๋Š” ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์‚ฐ ์ง„์ €(ginger)๋ฅผ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜์œผ๋กœ ํ•œ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค๋Š” ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ‘์ด ํ”„๋กœ์ ํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ๋‹ค.’ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋‹ค์ง€ ๋‚ดํ‚ค์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์ €์—๊ฒŒ Hamid๋Š” ์šฐ๋”” ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์˜ ์ตœ๊ณ  ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ Ingenious Ginger๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ๊ณ , ์ด์ œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์˜ 1์œ„ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋ฏ€๋กœ ๋•Œ๋กœ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์ด ํ‹€๋ฆด ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ๊ณ , ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ž์œ ๋ฅผ ์ค˜์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋˜ํ•œ ์ €๋Š” Takasago์™€๋„ ์ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋…ธํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์—ฌํ–‰ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๋ฐ ํƒ์›”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๋งค์šฐ ์‹ ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ , ์†”๋ผ(solar)ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ฃจ๋ฏธ๋„ˆ์Šค(luminous)ํ•œ — ์ด ์ง€์—ญ์— ๋งค์šฐ ์ž˜ ์–ด์šธ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋“  ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ํ•˜์šฐ์Šค๋Š” ์ž๊ธฐ๋งŒ์˜ ์‹œ๊ทธ๋„ˆ์ฒ˜๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

EMMA / Perfume Room์— ๋งˆ / Perfume Room

Tell me about Pacific Rock Flower, the new launch.

์‹ ์ž‘ Pacific Rock Flower์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

I'm launching Pacific Rock Flower in the next few weeks. Emily Bouge, then at Robertet, worked with me on this. It's one of my absolute favourite perfumes. Initially I wasn't convinced she was the right perfumer for it — following the iconic Pacific Rock Moss was a big thing. But she mastered it, using more than 100 ingredients. It's the first aquatic-creamy note on the market — usually aquatic-marine scents tend to be aromatic or woody. This one is creamy: lush creamy florals, creamy coconut. It was an open pitch, many perfume houses worked on it, and she was the closest to the original brief from the start.

Pacific Rock Flower๋ฅผ ํ–ฅํ›„ ๋ช‡ ์ฃผ ์•ˆ์— ์ถœ์‹œํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹œ Robertet์— ์žˆ๋˜ Emily Bouge๊ฐ€ ์ €์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ž‘์—…ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ดˆ๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ์ด ์ž‘์—…์— ์ ํ•ฉํ•œ ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ์ธ์ง€ ํ™•์‹ ์ด ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์•„์ด์ฝ”๋‹‰ํ•œ Pacific Rock Moss์˜ ๋’ค๋ฅผ ์ž‡๋Š” ์ผ์€ ํฐ ์ผ์ด์—ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” 100๊ฐ€์ง€๊ฐ€ ๋„˜๋Š” ์›๋ฃŒ๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ์™„์ˆ˜ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์‹œ์žฅ์— ์ฒ˜์Œ ๋“ฑ์žฅํ•˜๋Š” ‘์•„์ฟ ์•„ํ‹ฑ ํฌ๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ(aquatic-creamy)’ ๋…ธํŠธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์•„์ฟ ์•„ํ‹ฑ ๋งˆ๋ฆฐ ๊ณ„์—ด์€ ์•„๋กœ๋งˆํ‹ฑํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์šฐ๋””ํ•œ ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์ด ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋Š” ํฌ๋ฆฌ๋ฏธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค: ํ’์„ฑํ•œ ํฌ๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ ํ”Œ๋กœ๋Ÿด๊ณผ ํฌ๋ฆฌ๋ฏธ ์ฝ”์ฝ”๋„›. ์˜คํ”ˆ ํ”ผ์น˜(open pitch)๋กœ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ํ•˜์šฐ์Šค๊ฐ€ ์ž‘์—…ํ–ˆ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ์ฒ˜์Œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์›๋ž˜ ๋ธŒ๋ฆฌํ”„์— ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

EMMA / Perfume Room์— ๋งˆ / Perfume Room

Are you doing open briefs a lot?

์˜คํ”ˆ ๋ธŒ๋ฆฌํ”„(open brief)๋ฅผ ์ž์ฃผ ์ง„ํ–‰ํ•˜์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Yes — and you have to give younger perfumers the opportunity to work too. The industry today is very drawn to a few stars, but it doesn't always mean they're the best. I like working with younger perfumers because I want them to become future stars. I'm Belgian-born, so this is probably the down-to-earth part of me. The industry these days is too focused on hierarchy, and I don't like that. There's talent everywhere — you just need to feed it and be open to it.

๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋” ์ Š์€ ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ผํ•  ๊ธฐํšŒ๋ฅผ ์ค˜์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ์‚ฐ์—…์€ ๋ช‡๋ช‡ ์Šคํƒ€ ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งค์šฐ ๊ธฐ์šธ์–ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ณง ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ตœ๊ณ ๋ผ๋Š” ์˜๋ฏธ๋Š” ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์ Š์€ ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ผํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์˜ ์Šคํƒ€๊ฐ€ ๋˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ๋ฒจ๊ธฐ์— ํƒœ์ƒ์ด๋ฏ€๋กœ, ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์ €์˜ ‘๋ฐœ์ด ๋•…์— ๋‹ฟ์€(down-to-earth)’ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ผ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์š”์ฆ˜ ์‚ฐ์—…์€ ์œ„๊ณ„(hierarchy)์— ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ง‘์ค‘๋˜์–ด ์žˆ๊ณ , ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์žฌ๋Šฅ์€ ์–ด๋””์—๋‚˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ๊ทธ ์žฌ๋Šฅ์„ ๊ธธ๋Ÿฌ ์ฃผ๊ณ , ๊ทธ ์žฌ๋Šฅ์— ์—ด๋ ค ์žˆ๊ธฐ๋งŒ ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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I want to talk about Silky Woods Elixir. It came out when the market was oversaturated with elixirs and extrait variants. To you, does the word ‘elixir’ mean something different than ‘extrait’ or ‘flanker’?

Silky Woods Elixir์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹œ์žฅ์ด ์—˜๋ฆญ์‹œ๋ฅด(elixir)์™€ ์—‘์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ(extrait) ํ”Œ๋žญ์ปค(flanker)๋กœ ํฌํ™” ์ƒํƒœ์— ์žˆ๋˜ ์‹œ๊ธฐ์— ์ถœ์‹œ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ณธ์ธ์—๊ฒŒ ‘์—˜๋ฆญ์‹œ๋ฅด’๋ผ๋Š” ๋‹จ์–ด๋Š” ‘์—‘์ŠคํŠธ๋ ˆ’๋‚˜ ‘ํ”Œ๋žญ์ปค’์™€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์˜๋ฏธ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง‘๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Silky Woods Elixir is one of my absolute favourites — I wear it four or five times a week. I was grateful and privileged to work with Olivier — I've known him for many years; I know his signature and his talent. Silky Woods to me is entering a rainforest. We have an oak species called Silky Oaks. The original Silky Woods was my first experience with Australian agarwood and I wanted to go deeper into that. With Olivier we went into the dark, deeper rainforest, where it's moist and the canopy is high — you can smell something deep and dirty in this fragrance.

Silky Woods Elixir๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์ผ์ฃผ์ผ์— 4~5๋ฒˆ ๋‘๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Olivier์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ž‘์—…ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์ ์— ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ณ  ์˜๊ด‘์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ๊ทธ๋ฅผ ์˜ค๋žœ ์„ธ์›” ์•Œ์•„ ์™”๊ณ , ๊ทธ์˜ ์‹œ๊ทธ๋„ˆ์ฒ˜์™€ ์žฌ๋Šฅ์„ ์ž˜ ์•Œ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €์—๊ฒŒ Silky Woods๋Š” ‘์—ด๋Œ€ ์šฐ๋ฆผ์— ๋“ค์–ด์„œ๋Š” ์ผ’์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” Silky Oaks๋ผ๋Š” ์˜คํฌ(oak) ์ข…์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฆฌ์ง€๋„ Silky Woods๋Š” ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์‚ฐ ์•„๊ฐ€์šฐ๋“œ์™€์˜ ์ฒซ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด์—ˆ๊ณ , ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ์•ˆ์œผ๋กœ ๋” ๊นŠ์ด ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ€๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. Olivier์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์–ด๋‘์šด, ๋” ๊นŠ์€ ์—ด๋Œ€ ์šฐ๋ฆผ์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค์–ด๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์Šต๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ๊ณ  ์บ๋…ธํ”ผ(canopy)๊ฐ€ ๋†’์€ ๊ณณ — ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๊นŠ๊ณ  ํ™ ๋ฌป์€ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ด ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์—์„œ ๋งก์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

To me Elixir is the pure absolute essence of a pure perfume — the pinnacle, the holy grail. Silky Woods Elixir is the holy grail of Silky Woods. I'll tell you a little secret. At some point Olivier said, ‘Dimitri, we've changed this formula so many times. I think it's ready.’ I said, ‘No, it's not.’ I knew there was a note missing. I came back with the idea of adding a green fig leaf to highlight and strengthen the dark rainforest feel. That opened his eyes — I could see him in the office thinking, ‘That's a great idea, Dimitri. That would match perfectly.’ We continued to tweak it until we were both satisfied. I'm not a perfumer, I'm not a chemist, but through experience I know how to build a pyramid and tweak it.

์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์—˜๋ฆญ์‹œ๋ฅด๋Š” ๊ณง ‘์ˆœ์ˆ˜ํ•œ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์˜ ์ˆœ์ˆ˜ํ•œ ์ ˆ๋Œ€ ๋ณธ์งˆ(pure absolute essence)’์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์ •์ ์ด์ž ์„ฑ๋ฐฐ(holy grail). Silky Woods Elixir๋Š” Silky Woods์˜ ์„ฑ๋ฐฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž‘์€ ๋น„๋ฐ€์„ ํ•˜๋‚˜ ์•Œ๋ ค ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋А ์ˆœ๊ฐ„ Olivier๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ‘๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ, ์ด ์ฒ˜๋ฐฉ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์—†์ด ๋ฐ”๊ฟจ๋‹ค. ์ด์ œ ์™„์„ฑ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ณธ๋‹ค.’ ์ €๋Š” ๋‹ตํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ‘์•„๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ์•„์ง ์•„๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.’ ์ €๋Š” ํ•œ ๋…ธํŠธ๊ฐ€ ๋น ์ ธ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ฆฐ ํ”ผ๊ทธ ๋ฆฌํ”„(green fig leaf)๋ฅผ ๋”ํ•ด ๊ทธ ์–ด๋‘์šด ์—ด๋Œ€ ์šฐ๋ฆผ์˜ ๋А๋‚Œ์„ ๊ฐ•์กฐํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐ•ํ™”ํ•˜์ž๋Š” ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ์˜ ๋ˆˆ์„ ๋œจ๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์‚ฌ๋ฌด์‹ค์— ์•‰์€ ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ‘์ข‹์€ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋‹ค, ๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์™„๋ฒฝํžˆ ๋งž๋Š”๋‹ค’๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋ชจ์Šต์ด ๋ณด์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‘˜ ๋‹ค ๋งŒ์กฑํ•  ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ๊ณ„์† ๋‹ค๋“ฌ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์กฐํ–ฅ์‚ฌ๋„, ํ™”ํ•™์ž๋„ ์•„๋‹ˆ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜์˜ ํ”ผ๋ผ๋ฏธ๋“œ๋ฅผ ์ง“๊ณ  ๋‹ค๋“ฌ๋Š” ๋ฒ•์„ ์••๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

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What do you want people to take away about Australia when they smell Goldfield and Banks fragrances?

์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด Goldfield and Banks ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ๋งก์„ ๋•Œ, ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๊ฐ€์ ธ๊ฐ€๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ”๋ผ์‹ญ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

The most gratifying thing about my work is when people say, ‘Dimitri, I'll probably never go to Australia because it's too far, but through your fragrances I live the country, I experience it, I sense its extraordinary beauty and botanical richness.’ That's when you know you've done something. It's the Australian dream — a fragrance from beyond the horizon. Perfumes should make you dream of a better place on this planet, and that's what I try to do — take you on a journey through a beautiful country, no matter where you are, New York, Paris, London, Portland.

์ œ ์ผ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋ณด๋žŒ๋œ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ‘๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ, ์ €๋Š” ์•„๋งˆ๋„ ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์— ๊ฐ€์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋ฉ€๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋ฅผ ์‚ด๊ณ , ๊ฒฝํ—˜ํ•˜๊ณ , ๊ทธ ๋น„๋ฒ”ํ•œ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์›€๊ณผ ์‹๋ฌผํ•™์  ํ’์š”๋ฅผ ๊ฐ์ง€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.’ ๊ทธ๋•Œ ๋น„๋กœ์†Œ ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ํ•ด๋ƒˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ‘ํ˜ธ์ฃผ์˜ ๊ฟˆ’์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ์ˆ˜ํ‰์„  ๋„ˆ๋จธ์—์„œ ์˜จ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜. ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์ง€๊ตฌ์ƒ์˜ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์–ด๋–ค ์žฅ์†Œ๋ฅผ ๊ฟˆ๊พธ๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋ฉฐ, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค — ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋‰ด์š•, ํŒŒ๋ฆฌ, ๋Ÿฐ๋˜, ํฌํ‹€๋žœ๋“œ ์–ด๋””์— ์žˆ๋“ , ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ํ•œ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋ฅผ ํ†ต๊ณผํ•˜๋Š” ์—ฌ์ •์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐ๋ ค๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ.

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What's the smell of Sydney?

์‹œ๋“œ๋‹ˆ์˜ ํ–ฅ์€?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Aquatic.

์•„์ฟ ์•„ํ‹ฑ(aquatic).

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France?

ํ”„๋ž‘์Šค?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Pastries.

ํŽ˜์ด์ŠคํŠธ๋ฆฌ(pastries).

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Belgium?

๋ฒจ๊ธฐ์—?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Humidity.

์Šต๊ธฐ(humidity).

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The USA?

๋ฏธ๊ตญ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

If California, solar. If New York, velvet-textured.

์บ˜๋ฆฌํฌ๋‹ˆ์•„๋ผ๋ฉด ์†”๋ผ(solar). ๋‰ด์š•์ด๋ผ๋ฉด ๋ฒจ๋ฒณ ์งˆ๊ฐ(velvet-textured).

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Your childhood bedroom?

์–ด๋ฆฐ ์‹œ์ ˆ์˜ ์นจ์‹ค?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Coco fashion.

Coco fashion.

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Love?

์‚ฌ๋ž‘?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Fresh linen.

์‹ ์„ ํ•œ ๋ฆฌ๋„จ(fresh linen).

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Australia?

ํ˜ธ์ฃผ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Horizon.

์ˆ˜ํ‰์„ (horizon).

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Goldfield and Banks?

Goldfield and Banks?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Sophisticated.

์„ธ๋ จ๋จ(sophisticated).

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And the final question — what is the smell of Dimitri Weber?

๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ์งˆ๋ฌธ — ๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„์˜ ํ–ฅ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?

DIMITRI WEBER๋””๋ฏธํŠธ๋ฆฌ ์›จ๋ฒ„

Crisp.

ํฌ๋ฆฌ์Šคํ”„(crisp).

Perfumes Mentioned์–ธ๊ธ‰๋œ ํ–ฅ์ˆ˜
Mystic BlissGoldfield & Banks
Purple SuedeGoldfield & Banks · Weber's personal signature
Silky WoodsGoldfield & Banks · Firmenich / Hamid Merati-Kashani
Silky Woods ElixirGoldfield & Banks · Firmenich / Olivier Cresp
Pacific Rock MossGoldfield & Banks · iconic earlier launch
Pacific Rock FlowerGoldfield & Banks · Robertet / Emily Bouge
Wood InfusionGoldfield & Banks · Firmenich / Hamid Merati-Kashani
Ingenious GingerGoldfield & Banks · Firmenich / Hamid Merati-Kashani · #1 worldwide
Island LushGoldfield & Banks · uses New Caledonian sandalwood
BohémienGoldfield & Banks · built around finger lime / caviar lime
CocoChanel · original 80s launch, his early-life epiphany
OpiumYSL (1974) · first major fragrance to openly use Australian sandalwood (Santalum spicatum)
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